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Mexico Real Estate Horror Stories

Mexico Real Estate Horror Stories

29 May 2015 Real Estate FYI 164

Nearly every week, we see another article in the press about expatriates buying real estate in Mexico. When we first wrote this article, we had seen one from the Kansas City Star, reprinted from the Wall Street Journal. It was about retired and soon-to-be-retired baby boomers buying real estate in the Yucatan and on the Mayan Riviera.

Here are some excerpts:

A big cadre of American baby boomers looking to retire someplace sunny and cheap is fueling a land rush in the Riviera Maya, an idyllic slice of Mexico’s Yucatan Peninsula... But many land-seekers are encountering obstacles, including skyrocketing real estate prices, confusing laws and con artists... The land rush is occurring at the beginning of a demographic tidal wave. With more than 70 million American baby boomers expected to retire in the next two decades, many without adequate pensions or health plans, some experts predict a vast migration to warmer — and cheaper — climates. Often such buyers purchase a property 10 to 15 years before retirement, use it as a vacation home, and then eventually move there for most of the year. Developers increasingly are taking advantage of the trend, building gated communities, condominiums and golf courses...

Mexico, already thought to be home to as many as 1 million American citizens, or roughly a quarter of all U.S. expatriates, is set to get the lion’s share of new arrivals...

No place has boomed in recent years like the state of Quintana Roo in Mexico’s far southeast corner. Anchored by the high-rise resort destination of Cancun at one end and cosmopolitan Playa del Carmen an hour to the south, Quintana Roo is the country’s fastest-growing state, with over a million residents. An estimated 1,500 to 3,000 American citizens live there more than six months out of the year...

If you read the article in its entirety, you'll see a lot of references to "unscrupulous" deals, "problems", "obstacles", "confusing laws" and "con artists". There's the developer in Baja California who sold condos built on ejido land and afterwards all the tenants were evicted. There's a couple near Puerto Vallarta who lost their ocean view when local Mexican developers built a resort between their beach house and the water. There's a woman near Tulum who put a down payment on ejido land but then disappeared for three years and the seller assumed she was dead, so he reoccupied it. But she wanted it back. Then a dead body showed up on the property.

Lions and tigers and bears, oh my!

Not Kansas, Kanasin...

It's true that we are not in Kansas anymore, but like "The Wizard of Oz", all of the news stories we read seem to reuse the same actors in a rather familiar plot. Act I: Gringos are moving to Mexico in record numbers. Act II: Mexico is a lawless land where it is "not uncommon" for Gringos to be duped, or worse (insert the same two or three examples from above). Act III: Let these cautionary tales serve as a warning. Act IV: Here's what you need to know to avoid being "victimized" (i.e. "there's no place like home").

It never fails to amuse us how the Press relies on fear to sell papers, in this case portraying Mexico as such a dangerous, lawless and corrupt country. We have purchased five properties in Mexico. Four are here in the Yucatan Peninsula and one is in the state of Michoacan. We have many clients who are real estate agents, and through them we are personally aware of scores of real estate transactions among the hundreds conducted here each year. In over ten years of living here now, we have only heard of two or three "unscrupulous" deals out of a thousand.

Frustrating Process

That's not to say we haven't met several expatriates who were frustrated by the process of buying property in Mexico. Many of these are head-strong, impatient types who bring their own ideas of what the rules should be and don't take no for an answer, even though that is one word we share with Spanish. Mexico is a different culture that speaks a different language and has different laws arising from a different history. There is much to learn and we always recommend you don't go it alone. Even after living here for as long as we have, knowing the people we know and having our experience, we would never consider buying or selling a property in Mexico without the two most important ingredients: a Mexican accountant and a Mexican lawyer. And for most of the time, we would throw in that third almost-essential ingredient, a knowledgeable Mexico-based real estate agent.

Por Ejemplo...

For example, ejido land causes "problems" for those who don't understand it. The majority of Mexico's population is Native American or "indigenous". They were not killed or herded off to reservations like in the United States. During the Mexican Revolution, the government took land away from large haciendas that had acquired it illegally and placed it in trust to the indigenous inhabitants who had lost it. This land is technically owned by the Mexican Government but used by local indigenous communities. In recent years, laws have been enacted that allow the heirs of the original families to whom the land was entrusted to privatize and sell it, but the process can take years as each interested party is tracked down for their signature. If you deal directly with a member of an ejido, he or she has the right to take a down payment in return for a promesa, or agreement to sell you his share after it is privatized. He or she will undoubtedly offer you a great price. You may be tempted. But it is a highly speculative deal because the ejido may never be privatized, at least not in your lifetime. We suggest you do not even consider this kind of deal. But if the Mexican citizen in question has lived through the division of the ejido and has a clear title, then go for it. Some of the best property we know of has been purchased that way.

Obtain the Basics

We have heard of several cases where expatriates without a clue try to deal directly and end up stymied or frustrated. In general, they are over-confident and trying to find a "better" deal and avoid paying a commission. For most of us, this is not a good idea. Find a good real estate agent who has references. He or she will hook you up with a good Mexican lawyer (called a notario), and if you need one, an accountant (called a contador). They will help you learn what to expect and how to follow the rules. Then, follow the rules. In many places in Yucatan (and throughout Mexico), you will have to purchase your land through a bank trust (called a fideicomiso). We suggest you might consider a fideicomiso even if you are in the zone where you don't have to. It will ensure you a clear title and it offers some tax advantages, too. Within 50 kilometers of the coast, it is required by law. There are some rumblings in Mexico City that they may be doing away with the fideicomiso requirement, but as of late 2015, that has not happened.

Booming From Coast to Coast

What the Kansas City Star says about the real estate boom in Playa del Carmen, Tulum and Cancun is definitely being seen here in Merida as well. You cannot drive down a street in Merida for more than three blocks in the centro historico of Merida without seeing at least one major colonial renovation going on. And of course, most of the people paying for those renovations are coming from the United States, Canada or elsewhere, because most local Yucatecos with money wouldn't dream of living in el centro. Just like in the United States 30 years ago, they are moving out to the suburbs, either in gringo-like, ranch-style homes or in gated communities like La Ceiba, the Yucatan Golf Club or Xcanatun residential communities, or even those high-rise Yucatan Country Towers in the Alta Brisa neighborhood.

Meridanos are selling the homes of their tias (aunts) and abuelas (grandmothers) to the incoming expatriates, who are salivating at the beauty and potential of these old colonial homes. In the USA of course, you can't find these stone-walled, tile-floored homes with high, beamed ceilings and arch-lined corridors for love or money, let alone for the price of a down payment on a tract home in California.

Despite the somewhat negative tone of most news articles, they often do tell a "rare" success story. The Kansas City Star story talks about the abandoned mansion of the famous and now deceased drug lord Pablo Escobar, that was turned into the Amansala Hotel and EcoResort by a resourceful gringa. That was a few years ago now, and that was just the beginning. The beach in Tulum is now rimmed with a plethora of successful small hotels with restaurants, sushi bars and yoga studios, Playa del Carmen and other beach communities are still growing like crazy and even Merida is becoming hip and popular (see link below).

So hundreds of Americans, Canadians and people from around the world, maybe thousands, are buying homes annually in Merida or on the nearby beaches of the Yucatan Gulf Coast for retirement, vacation rental income and investment. And more and more of those are moving down here every year. We have heard recently that over 7,000 expatriates live in Merida, a surprising number if you believe the 1,500-3,000 on the Mayan Riviera. Frankly, we did not think those numbers were accurate when that article was written (too low) and they have risen steadily since then.

We Working Gringos are just the visible tip of the Yucatecan expatriate iceberg, so to speak. An iceberg that has grown exponentially since this article was written and shows no signs of melting, even in this tropical heat!

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Comments

  • Working Gringos 11 years ago

    As far as we know, as long as you get the appropriate visa, you can take over the corporation. But as always, you should check with a (Mexican) lawyer.

  • bob kos 11 years ago

    I am looking to purchase a piece of oceanfront land near Sisal. The real estate agent told me that a corporation was the owner, and the owner of the corporation is an American. I am from Canada. Is this okay? To buy the Mexican corporation to own the land?

  • Working Gringos 11 years ago

    Interesting experience. We have walked (and stayed) a few times in the Sian Ka'an biosphere, and never been threatened by anyone. However, everything changes! Good to know!

  • monique 11 years ago

    On Friday May 23rd 2014, armed police evicted guests and owners in 4 hotels in the Tulum beach area. The hotels were Dos Ceibas, Playa Azul, and 2 others. Supposedly a family member showed up showing ownership from the 1940's and he obtained a court order for an immediate eviction of 4 hotels. We personally witnessed their furnishings being piled into U-hauls and in the back of pick-up trucks. I had come to Tulum toying with the idea of an investment as I have a successful rental property in Colorado and wished for a beach option. However, between the eviction and my own beach experience, I would not recommend ANY foreigner buy beach property in Tulum. On both Monday May 19th 2014 and Friday May 23rd I walked 3 km south of the Ahau hotel in Tulum, and entered the beach of the biosphere, which has a gated entrance anyone can enter freely. However, on each occasion of being on the beach I was approached by men who carried billy clubs and guns and who told me to leave, in no uncertain terms. In one case a man kept slapping his billy club in his hand, making it clear he was going to use it on me. Tulum is fine to visit if you stay in the tourist area. But do not venture out of it, and certainly don't spend 1mm for beachfront. There are safer places for you, your family, and your money.

  • Working Gringos 11 years ago

    Robert, $62,000 pesos is a little less than $5,000 USD. This is probably the annual taxes that you have not paid since you bought the property. In Mexico, they do not send bills often... they count on you to know that you have an annual tax bill and most people go to a central location in the city to pay that bill. If it were me, I would find a lawyer in Puerto Vallarta who speaks English and ask him to look into it for you. If you need a recommendation for a lawyer, you might look on a local expatriate website for recommendations. Lawyers in Yucatan probably cannot help you from across the country. Good luck!

  • Robert Limon 11 years ago

    I bought property in Puerto Vallarta 8 years ago and I am am still waiting on the paperwork to be final. I have called and emailed this Neptune realtor for 5 yrs before I got a call back. They say if I don't have the original paperwork I lose the property. OK, I have all my paperwork. Now they have come up with a final bill of $62,000 pesos. OMG! I thought I owned the property and now I get a bill for unreal amount of money.What can I do? I have $25,000 USD invested already. How can I get help?

  • Working Gringos 11 years ago

    We couldn't agree with you more!

  • Bill 11 years ago

    Just found this site today. Very interesting as we (Cdn / Mx. esposa) are returning to live in Merida area this year. My initial correspondence with Mexican agencies so far has led me to believe I can expect to be treated far more fairly and welcoming than has been the case for my wife the past 7 years here in Canada. Police clearances, medicals, for wife ( and 2 daughters left in Mexico) had to be renewed continuously before L.I.S was achieved here, after 4 years and 2 months, at substantial costs. Seems to me that as a N.A.F.T.A. partner, that our governments should be treating Mexican citizens more fairly.

  • Working Gringos 11 years ago

    Hi Nancy... the laws about this seem to be constantly changing. It's important to find a lawyer that knows what he/she is talking about and follow their advice. Of course, therein lies the rub :-). I don't believe the exemption has anything to do with visa status, only with whether you have lived somewhere for that time (which would IMPLY visa status, but...). No, I have NOT heard about some 25% tax on the sales price just because you are a foreigner. You might want to check all this with a real estate agent who a) has experience in the area and b) is not involved with your specific deal. Regarding architects, I don't know what 'most' do. Our architect on our last house provided facturas for most supplies and their services. But not all. You can go that way, or you can go the cheaper route with someone who does NOT provide facturas. You pay up front or you pay later :-) It all evens out in the end, it seems to us :-) Good luck!

  • Working Gringos 11 years ago

    Yes, that is done by both foreigners and expatriates. It is very common practice in Mexico. However, it is not required. If the seller has to pay capital gains on the property (that is, if it is NOT their home and they have not lived there more than two years), then they will be reluctant to put the sale price on the deed. However, if they are in the category of people that does NOT have to pay capital gains, they may be willing. Also, the use of renovation costs has nothing to do with whether or not you are a foreigner. You can only use renovation costs against the selling price (to avoid taxes) if you have facturas (special, official invoices that are serialized). If you just have a nota (and most albañiles do not provide facturas), then you cannot use those expenses. If you have any doubts, you should go talk to a lawyer on your behalf.

  • Noot 11 years ago

    Further to an earlier post, I have the same question regarding the catastral vs purchase price on the deed. We have just been requested to do this and told that this is the way we do it here and that we will have a hard time finding a seller who will put the sale price on the deed. Is this correct? We are told this is done by everyone including foreigners. We were also told that we wouldn't/couldn't use our renovation costs to offset capitals if we sell, as we are foreigners?

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