Working Gringos

Working Gringos

8 November 2016 Interviews & Editorials 79

Editor's Update:

Now that the US election is over, we know more and more people are thinking that maybe living outside the United States would not be such a bad idea. We love the United States but we also think that living outside of it, for some amount of time or the rest of your life, is a great idea. Because there is nothing more refreshing than a new perspective. There's nothing that makes you feel younger like learning a new culture and language. There is really nothing that compares with going outside your comfort zone to explore new horizons and opportunities. With that in mind, here is what we were thinking and feeling ten years ago in 2006, four years after we moved out of the United States, four years before this happened.

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The following is the first of a series of interviews with expatriates living in the Yucatan. We decided that in all good faith we couldn't ask our friends and acquaintances to answer these questions if we hadn't answered them ourselves. So we are our first interviewees:

YL: When did you move to the Yucatan, where did you move from and why did you move here?

Working Gringos: We moved from California in January of 2002. We had recently lost our jobs at an Internet development company and were trying to start our own thing when the World Trade Center in New York was attacked. That put a stop to just about everyone's business development. For a long time nobody wanted a website and every business in our industry was laying off, not hiring. We had to find work and we had to move to find it.

We call ourselves dot bomb refugees.

We ruled out the San Francisco Bay area and other major technology centers because there was a surplus of workers and the cost of living there was too high. We ruled out Bakersfield and many other inexpensive places because, well..., if we need to explain then you wouldn't be reading this.

We finally decided to make a virtue of necessity and cast our net world-wide. Thanks to the worldwide web we could do that more easily than ever. We made a short list of what we wanted in a new home. Here it is:

1. A place were we can make a living
2. Beautiful house we can own outright
3. Tropical and/or European ambiance
4. Close to scuba diving
5. Learn a second language
6. Live more lightly on the planet (our private code phrase for "eco-friendly and cheap")
7. Be within a day's flight of our family

YL: Why did you choose Merida over other places in the world?

Working Gringos: It met all of our criteria and more. We've traveled around the world. We thought of Tuscany, Bali, Costa Rica, the island of Roatan, but none of these quite worked for us. The combination of Mayan, Spanish, Caribbean and Gulf cultures makes Merida unique. It's also the closest place to the United States that is the most unlike it. And you can make a living here and live for much less.

YL: Did you know you were going to be working when you moved here?

Working Gringos: Yes, we essentially moved our nascent Internet development company here, bringing all of our computer and photographic equipment with us. Besides, we're not sure what retirement looks like.

YL: Are you doing now what you intended to do when you moved here?

Working Gringos: We are doing more than we intended. We figured we would make a few websites for people, live on less, and give ourselves more free time. Wishful thinking. There has been much more demand for website development here than we anticipated, as well as photography.

YL: Did you buy a house right away or rent first? Do you think you made the right decision (either way)?

Working Gringos: We bought two houses. We found a renovated colonial-style house where we live now using the Internet. It was another reason we moved here. Another smaller house was recommended to us by the real estate agent here and we turned it into an office. Considering how much these properties have appreciated in value, we think we did the right thing by buying right away. But we do see the value in renting first and getting to know the area before making a commitment.

YL: Now that you live and work here, how do you like it?

Working Gringos: We're never bored!

YL: Would you ever go back?

Working Gringos: We go back at times to visit family. One of us would consider going back if we were suddenly left alone here... but we would always keep one foot here, even if we did go back. Mexico is home now too. We would rather have our family move here. Then there would be little or no reason to go back, except for the occasional bookstore craving (see below). But can you ever really go back? So much has changed in the U.S. since we left...

YL: What are the most striking differences between living here vs. living there (wherever you came from)?

Working Gringos: Socially, the Yucatan is a lot more forgiving. It feels like people here have more liberty, that there is a wider range of opinions and backgrounds. It's not as culturally homogenous. It's also very, very affordable. We were being "gentrified" out of our little town in California. But Yucatan, as Ry Cooder would say, "is a poor man's Shangri-La."

YL: What do you love about living here?

Working Gringos: Not pumping our own gas or having to compare gas prices (editor's note: well, everything changes and that has changed...), paying taxes monthly (it's so much easier), the people, music in the streets at night, tropical weather, weekends at the Caribbean, the diverse culture, the food, learning a new language, the VIP movie theater, our friends, the list goes on...

YL: What do you miss from your "former life"?

Working Gringos: Browsing in bookstores, Starbucks Gingerbread and Pumpkin Lattes (yes, we still think they taste better in the USA...), hiking in the mountains, ginger Altoids, huge selections of black tea at the grocery store, Trader Joe's... It's always something. But we've lived here long enough that when we're back in the States for very long we miss things like fresh habanero salsa, not looking over our shoulder all the time when we're driving (avoiding speeding or parking tickets), Yucatecan food, big piles of rocks. It's an ever-growing list... and there is something about the Yucatan that we miss when we're not here, but we can't put our finger on it. Must be the magic.

YL: What is it like owning and running a business here?

Working Gringos: It's easier than we expected. Demand is high and competition is low. If you're not engaged in a business that has a long tradition in Mexico, then your chances of success are pretty good. That's becoming less true, but we think it's still true.

There is some red tape at the beginning. You have to apply for and maintain the correct visa. You have to itemize any equipment you bring into the country and prove it was either taken back out or destroyed, in other words, that you didn't sell it and dodge import taxes. These days, we just buy our equipment here. Dell, Apple, Canon, etc. all service Mexico. You also need a good lawyer and accountant to watch your back. It's nearly impossible to understand Mexican tax law, but isn't that also true in California? It was for us; except our lawyer and accountant there charged us about 10 times more.

YL: Do you have to do more than one thing to make a living?

Working Gringos: Many people do. It's a tradition here to maintain many different sources of income in case one of them falls on hard times. It's Mexican job security. We probably have four or five different sources of income, but they are all related to marketing somehow.

YL: Do you work as much as you used to "back home" or are your work habits different here?

Working Gringos: We work more than ever. At the moment, it's like drinking from a fire hose. Some of the demand is probably related to the times we live in. The Internet was made for places like Yucatan, which is historically remote and unknown.

On the other hand, we don't have to work in a cubicle battling office politics in some sprawling corporation, wondering if what we're doing even makes a difference. The work here has been more fulfilling. And we can and do take a day off here and there to go exploring or to enjoy a long weekend on the Caribbean. We also seem to have more of a social life here than we did in California, because people take more time for friends and family and socializing here.

YL: Is Merida different for residents than it is for tourists?

Working Gringos: Yes, as residents we see a lot of different areas around Merida that tourists rarely visit. We see the modern side of Merida as well as the remote Mayan villages and "undiscovered" ruins, beaches and haciendas. We've been invited to many social, cultural and private events that tourists don't encounter.

YL: How is your Spanish?

Working Gringos: We're getting there. We can make it in almost any situation without a translator. We don't sound very good, but at least we can understand people and make ourselves understood most of the time. The people here are very helpful, too.

YL: Is the language barrier a problem for you in your day to day life?

Working Gringos: No, not a problem... an opportunity. Really! We learn so much more through the process of taking down the barrier. One interesting thing about the Yucatan is that the majority of people here speak Spanish as a second language. Their first language was Mayan!

YL: What is the one most important piece of advice you would give someone just moving to the Yucatan?

Working Gringos: Be open to magic... it lives here. And if you have a problem with ants, get over it.

YL: Are you a Mexican citizen?

Working Gringos: Not yet.

YL: If you aren't, do you think you will become one?

Working Gringos: Yes.

YL: Why would or wouldn't you?

Working Gringos: If one passport is good, two are better. And being a citizen means we don't have to do the visa renewal thing every year.

YL: How are you treated by Mexicans?

Working Gringos: Embarrassingly well, considering how we treat Mexicans in the United States.

YL: Do you feel resented or welcome?

Working Gringos: 99.99% welcome. While there may be more prejudice against strangers in the Mexican border towns, we don't feel anything like that here. We've even heard locals say that extranjeros treat Yucatecos better than they treat each other. We think that means we aren't as codo (cheap).

YL: What are your plans for the future here?

Working Gringos: One day at a time. The magic works better that way.

YL: Do you see yourself staying?

Working Gringos: Way'a no ne (why ah NO nay). It's Mayan for "here we are".

YL: Do you see your business growing?

Working Gringos: Only as much as we want it to. We'd like to work a little less and enjoy this city and country a little more. There is so much of Yucatan and Mexico left to discover!

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Yucatan Living followed this with many more expatriate interviews. Some of those people are still in Merida, some are not. We welcome your comments and any other questions that you have for the people living in the Yucatan.

Comments

  • cor 18 years ago

    I loved reading your auto interview. I've lived in Merida a couple of years in the 90's and was just as delighted as you guys are. I'm living in Bangkok now but I'll always have great memories of ' The White City ". Hey, why else would I be visiting your site?

  • chuck 18 years ago

    I've so enjoyed reading ALL of this post and think it is wonderfull that each can share a divergent opionion and do so respectfully. I wish that were the case in much of the US.

    I am about to do the inadvised and nearly unthinkable... sell my home and leave my world here, as it is just to miserable to continue. I am a nurse by training, got injured last fall at work and as a result have lost nearly all my possessions, have next to no heat thru the winter and have had to borrow from friends to buy food and pay utilities. It is nearly incomprehensible in such a "developed" country that this could happen. Because I returned to work I lost my benefits, then I had to quit the new job for surgery. Alas the surgery was cancelled due to equipment trouble and can't be rescheduled until august or perhaps sooner on waiting list. I unfortunately don't qualify for any assistance because I tried to go back to work, and I am "too much of a liability risk" to get hired now.

    In comparison to many residents of the USA I've not got it so bad. I cringe when I think of the hurricane victims and survivors. At least I own a home to sell, and can muster the means to get out. Mexico has many challenges ahead, but I can testify they are no worse than those facing the States. The heritage of community in Mexico I hope will help to maintain a balanced and sustainable development.

    Am getting off soapbox now, thank you for suffering thru this missive.

    Hope to see you all in September.

  • Joseph Sabido 18 years ago

    Whoa! That was quite a rant there...

    Anyway, I just wanted to tell you that i'm proud that my city could make you feel at home :)

    Keep working, gringos ;)

    Email me if there's anything I can do for you
    Joseph

  • Working Gringos 19 years ago

    Socialist revolutionaries AND interloping colonizers? That sounds difficult. We must really be Working Gringos!

    However, it is against Mexican law for a foreigner living here under a residence visa to participate in the Mexican political process, and we don't. We are not fawning or campaigning; we are experiencing. And when we think it will interest our readers, we write about it.

    Nobody would deny that Marcos is a world-famous and controversial figure. Some call him a human rights leader. Others see him as a threat to society. But if Marcos is such a threat, why is the Fox Administration (which we generally admire) protecting him as he travels through Mexico? Where we come from, Marcos would have been scooped up years ago and sent to Gitanamo Bay.

    We've studied history. It is intolerance and repression that bring revolution, not any particular political dogma. Porfirio Diaz held onto power ruthlessly and lost touch with the governed, just like King George, just like King Louis XVI, just like all those who have brought revolution on their countries.

    But modern Mexico's toleration of a wide range of political opinions and expressions of dissent is proof of a healthy democracy.

    It's what liberty looks like, and we like the experience.

  • Mexicano 19 years ago

    As a Mexican, I am interested to hear your views on Mexico and on the new lives you have found for yourselves there, and in many ways I welcome them. However, I find your mindless fawning over the socialist revolutionary 'Sub-Comandante Marcos' to be utterly repugnant (Lenin's term, 'useful idiots' springs all-too-readily to mind) and cannot let it go without comment.

    In case you hadn't noticed, Mexico has already had one socialist revolution. It left the country a poverty-stricken backwater for almost 100 years and led to the deaths of 1/10th of the total population (one of the bloodiest civil wars in world history). It led, in fact, to the very conditions in which the Indians find themselves today - conditions which I'm sure you condemn. The very last thing it needs now is another such war (bear in mind that to date Marcos's actions have resulted in the deaths of almost 1,000 people - mostly indigenous - and could easily lead to many thousands more).

    Mexican society is both complex and fragile and there are no easy answers to many of the problems it faces. One thing, however, is certain - the solution does not lie in further socialist experimentation. The indiginous people may not articulate this fact for themselves, but they know it implicitly. That is why thousands of them risk life and limb every day of every year trying to escape to the USA where socialism has - thankfully - never been able to gain a strong foothold; and it is why none of them - not one! - ever tries to escape to Cuba where they have had a revolutionary leader in the Marcos mould for almost half a century, with all of the destruction of life, liberty and property which that implies.

    Of course, like the prostitute of yore, you (through your blog) are in the extremely privileged position of having power without responsibility, and were Marcos and his ilk ever to attain their goals, I have no doubt you would quickly escape the ensuing carnage by returning to the USA where you would waste no time bemoaning the slaughter back in Mexico and claim it was all Uncle Sam's fault in the first place.

    If your interest in seeing an improvement in the living conditions of the Mayans is a genuine one, then I would ask that you rethink your support and commitment of Marcos and his cause. Remember, you are but interlopers in Mexico - old-fashioned colonists, if you will - and your meddling in the politics of my country today is no more appropriate than when it was done by other Americans in other countries like Chile, Guatemala or Nicaragua in times past.

    I trust you will have the integrity to publish this post and welcome any comments you might have about it.

  • KAT 19 years ago

    Thanks for interviewing yourselves! This was a great read. I spent several of my formative years in Bakersfield, so I really understand how the search for a place like Merida became a thing of necessity! :)

    Well, you two just seem like nice people, and it sounds like Merida is lucky to have you + the other way around. I hope to discover as much about Merida as I can in the 8 months that remain for me here... but already (after 1 month) I'm noticing major quality-of-life differences that I know will make returning to life in Washington DC something of a challenge. Your example helps me see that there are many options out there. Thanks!

  • You Know Me 19 years ago

    I just discovered your blog this morning when I searched for "Merida Mexico tattoos". How's that for strange?

    Where is your business? I would like to stop by for a visit, if that would be alright.

    I sold almost everything I owned in the U. S. and moved to Merida in October of last year with plans to stay for at least one year, during which I will decide if I want to stay. I selected Merida for many of the same reasons you recount in the "interview" and have had no regrets, either of leaving the U. S. or of deciding on Merida.

    I was very fortunate to have made contact with my great landlord and to have arranged an apartment in a great, walking distance location in Centro, outside of the heavy tourist and gringo areas.

    Tengan buen dia,
    Chris Brown
    http://expatriateruminations.blogspot.com/

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