Working Gringos
Editor's Update:
Now that the US election is over, we know more and more people are thinking that maybe living outside the United States would not be such a bad idea. We love the United States but we also think that living outside of it, for some amount of time or the rest of your life, is a great idea. Because there is nothing more refreshing than a new perspective. There's nothing that makes you feel younger like learning a new culture and language. There is really nothing that compares with going outside your comfort zone to explore new horizons and opportunities. With that in mind, here is what we were thinking and feeling ten years ago in 2006, four years after we moved out of the United States, four years before this happened.
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The following is the first of a series of interviews with expatriates living in the Yucatan. We decided that in all good faith we couldn't ask our friends and acquaintances to answer these questions if we hadn't answered them ourselves. So we are our first interviewees:
YL: When did you move to the Yucatan, where did you move from and why did you move here?
Working Gringos: We moved from California in January of 2002. We had recently lost our jobs at an Internet development company and were trying to start our own thing when the World Trade Center in New York was attacked. That put a stop to just about everyone's business development. For a long time nobody wanted a website and every business in our industry was laying off, not hiring. We had to find work and we had to move to find it.
We call ourselves dot bomb refugees.
We ruled out the San Francisco Bay area and other major technology centers because there was a surplus of workers and the cost of living there was too high. We ruled out Bakersfield and many other inexpensive places because, well..., if we need to explain then you wouldn't be reading this.
We finally decided to make a virtue of necessity and cast our net world-wide. Thanks to the worldwide web we could do that more easily than ever. We made a short list of what we wanted in a new home. Here it is:
1. A place were we can make a living
2. Beautiful house we can own outright
3. Tropical and/or European ambiance
4. Close to scuba diving
5. Learn a second language
6. Live more lightly on the planet (our private code phrase for "eco-friendly and cheap")
7. Be within a day's flight of our family
YL: Why did you choose Merida over other places in the world?
Working Gringos: It met all of our criteria and more. We've traveled around the world. We thought of Tuscany, Bali, Costa Rica, the island of Roatan, but none of these quite worked for us. The combination of Mayan, Spanish, Caribbean and Gulf cultures makes Merida unique. It's also the closest place to the United States that is the most unlike it. And you can make a living here and live for much less.
YL: Did you know you were going to be working when you moved here?
Working Gringos: Yes, we essentially moved our nascent Internet development company here, bringing all of our computer and photographic equipment with us. Besides, we're not sure what retirement looks like.
YL: Are you doing now what you intended to do when you moved here?
Working Gringos: We are doing more than we intended. We figured we would make a few websites for people, live on less, and give ourselves more free time. Wishful thinking. There has been much more demand for website development here than we anticipated, as well as photography.
YL: Did you buy a house right away or rent first? Do you think you made the right decision (either way)?
Working Gringos: We bought two houses. We found a renovated colonial-style house where we live now using the Internet. It was another reason we moved here. Another smaller house was recommended to us by the real estate agent here and we turned it into an office. Considering how much these properties have appreciated in value, we think we did the right thing by buying right away. But we do see the value in renting first and getting to know the area before making a commitment.
YL: Now that you live and work here, how do you like it?
Working Gringos: We're never bored!
YL: Would you ever go back?
Working Gringos: We go back at times to visit family. One of us would consider going back if we were suddenly left alone here... but we would always keep one foot here, even if we did go back. Mexico is home now too. We would rather have our family move here. Then there would be little or no reason to go back, except for the occasional bookstore craving (see below). But can you ever really go back? So much has changed in the U.S. since we left...
YL: What are the most striking differences between living here vs. living there (wherever you came from)?
Working Gringos: Socially, the Yucatan is a lot more forgiving. It feels like people here have more liberty, that there is a wider range of opinions and backgrounds. It's not as culturally homogenous. It's also very, very affordable. We were being "gentrified" out of our little town in California. But Yucatan, as Ry Cooder would say, "is a poor man's Shangri-La."
YL: What do you love about living here?
Working Gringos: Not pumping our own gas or having to compare gas prices (editor's note: well, everything changes and that has changed...), paying taxes monthly (it's so much easier), the people, music in the streets at night, tropical weather, weekends at the Caribbean, the diverse culture, the food, learning a new language, the VIP movie theater, our friends, the list goes on...
YL: What do you miss from your "former life"?
Working Gringos: Browsing in bookstores, Starbucks Gingerbread and Pumpkin Lattes (yes, we still think they taste better in the USA...), hiking in the mountains, ginger Altoids, huge selections of black tea at the grocery store, Trader Joe's... It's always something. But we've lived here long enough that when we're back in the States for very long we miss things like fresh habanero salsa, not looking over our shoulder all the time when we're driving (avoiding speeding or parking tickets), Yucatecan food, big piles of rocks. It's an ever-growing list... and there is something about the Yucatan that we miss when we're not here, but we can't put our finger on it. Must be the magic.
YL: What is it like owning and running a business here?
Working Gringos: It's easier than we expected. Demand is high and competition is low. If you're not engaged in a business that has a long tradition in Mexico, then your chances of success are pretty good. That's becoming less true, but we think it's still true.
There is some red tape at the beginning. You have to apply for and maintain the correct visa. You have to itemize any equipment you bring into the country and prove it was either taken back out or destroyed, in other words, that you didn't sell it and dodge import taxes. These days, we just buy our equipment here. Dell, Apple, Canon, etc. all service Mexico. You also need a good lawyer and accountant to watch your back. It's nearly impossible to understand Mexican tax law, but isn't that also true in California? It was for us; except our lawyer and accountant there charged us about 10 times more.
YL: Do you have to do more than one thing to make a living?
Working Gringos: Many people do. It's a tradition here to maintain many different sources of income in case one of them falls on hard times. It's Mexican job security. We probably have four or five different sources of income, but they are all related to marketing somehow.
YL: Do you work as much as you used to "back home" or are your work habits different here?
Working Gringos: We work more than ever. At the moment, it's like drinking from a fire hose. Some of the demand is probably related to the times we live in. The Internet was made for places like Yucatan, which is historically remote and unknown.
On the other hand, we don't have to work in a cubicle battling office politics in some sprawling corporation, wondering if what we're doing even makes a difference. The work here has been more fulfilling. And we can and do take a day off here and there to go exploring or to enjoy a long weekend on the Caribbean. We also seem to have more of a social life here than we did in California, because people take more time for friends and family and socializing here.
YL: Is Merida different for residents than it is for tourists?
Working Gringos: Yes, as residents we see a lot of different areas around Merida that tourists rarely visit. We see the modern side of Merida as well as the remote Mayan villages and "undiscovered" ruins, beaches and haciendas. We've been invited to many social, cultural and private events that tourists don't encounter.
YL: How is your Spanish?
Working Gringos: We're getting there. We can make it in almost any situation without a translator. We don't sound very good, but at least we can understand people and make ourselves understood most of the time. The people here are very helpful, too.
YL: Is the language barrier a problem for you in your day to day life?
Working Gringos: No, not a problem... an opportunity. Really! We learn so much more through the process of taking down the barrier. One interesting thing about the Yucatan is that the majority of people here speak Spanish as a second language. Their first language was Mayan!
YL: What is the one most important piece of advice you would give someone just moving to the Yucatan?
Working Gringos: Be open to magic... it lives here. And if you have a problem with ants, get over it.
YL: Are you a Mexican citizen?
Working Gringos: Not yet.
YL: If you aren't, do you think you will become one?
Working Gringos: Yes.
YL: Why would or wouldn't you?
Working Gringos: If one passport is good, two are better. And being a citizen means we don't have to do the visa renewal thing every year.
YL: How are you treated by Mexicans?
Working Gringos: Embarrassingly well, considering how we treat Mexicans in the United States.
YL: Do you feel resented or welcome?
Working Gringos: 99.99% welcome. While there may be more prejudice against strangers in the Mexican border towns, we don't feel anything like that here. We've even heard locals say that extranjeros treat Yucatecos better than they treat each other. We think that means we aren't as codo (cheap).
YL: What are your plans for the future here?
Working Gringos: One day at a time. The magic works better that way.
YL: Do you see yourself staying?
Working Gringos: Way'a no ne (why ah NO nay). It's Mayan for "here we are".
YL: Do you see your business growing?
Working Gringos: Only as much as we want it to. We'd like to work a little less and enjoy this city and country a little more. There is so much of Yucatan and Mexico left to discover!
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Yucatan Living followed this with many more expatriate interviews. Some of those people are still in Merida, some are not. We welcome your comments and any other questions that you have for the people living in the Yucatan.
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Working Gringos 17 years ago
Thanks, Maria! We live to hear comments like that. You made our day!!
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Maria Novoa 17 years ago
Oh my gosh, one of these days I'm going to get fired... I LOVE THIS SITE!
I have Yucatan Living bookmarked and find myself reading bits and pieces at work (with the screen super minimized, mind you) every chance I get. I've forwarded the link to my family and friends. I know they'll love it just as much.
As Genny M. stated (a couple of posts up)... I, too, already consider you friends and look forward to the day I visit my Bella Ciudad Blanca, so that I can hopefully meet you in person (although I feel I already know you). I want to be able to tell you, face-to-face, how proud you are making so many of us Yucatecos, by sharing such a wonderful site. You truly are showing everyone - from a "gringo's" point of view, just what a treasure Merida really is. Keep up the fantabulistic work (and keep your fingers crossed that I don't get caught reading more of your wonderful, informative, and super-interesting website!!!)
p.s. - you haven't seen the last of me. I'll probably post again when I get to the next topic! *grin*
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Khaki 17 years ago
Re: Would you ever go back?
"But can you ever really go back? So much has changed in the U.S. since we left…"
...or is it that so much, all the reasons we left in the first place, have not changed ... and, indeed, have only gotten worse? The whole time I've been (temporarily) back in the States, I've been repeating the refrain "How can you people LIVE like this?" These people (Americans) don't have a point of reference for comparison. Because of their own propaganda, I honestly don't think they know there actually is a better life to be found in many parts of the world today. Poor things. But I quit. All of the energy I expend on where I live, from now on, will be in Yucatan.
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Working Gringos 18 years ago
Hola Genny...
It is interesting that at the same time that Mexicans are going to the US for economic opportunity, many Americans are discovering the opportunities for a better life in Mexico. We're happy that our site helps to bring you closer to the Yucatan and we look forward to meeting you when you come to visit or come back to live here!
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Genny M. 18 years ago
Dear Gringos:
I have my mouth wide open (con la boca abierta) reading about you. Since my son "discovered your site", I haven't stopped. For starters I am Meridana. I have lived most of my life in California (about 40 Years) and I have to admit that you gringos know more about my hometown than I do! My husband is an anthropologist and also Yucateco, but he is more americanized. His dream is to work in the fields in the Mayan ruins, I guess he will when we retire which is coming soon. Isn't it amazingly funny? Americans going to Yucatan to make a living and Yucatecos (like us) coming to the States for the same reason. The worst is finding my way back to Merida thru YOU....I can't believe the mysteries of life.One thing I know for sure: GOD is everywhere.
Thanks so much for your example. I already like you and consider you my friends. I hope you will feel likewise someday.
Truly amazed,
Genny M/La Peregrina
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Working Gringos 18 years ago
Dear Ellie,
If you're bilingual, you're already one step ahead of most of us expats in Latin America. And from our brief research, it appears that your profession is "Internet-portable", so if you established a more economical standard of living in Mexico, you could probably offer a more competitive rate to one or more law firms in the U.S. and work over the Internet. We call this voluntary off-shoring.
Our children are grown, so we haven't focused as much on that issue, but we will research the school situation and post an article soon. In the meantime, we know a family with three school-aged children who are investigating a move and are in Yucatan as we speak checking things out. Their blog is http://www.theroadtomerida.com.
Buena suerte!
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Ellie Riesgo 18 years ago
Can you provide some information with regard to American schools for my kids. That was not something that was addressed on your website, which is excellent by the way!!!
Thanks for all the great info.
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Ellie Riesgo 18 years ago
I live in Florida in a nice neighborhood and am a bi-lingual (Eng/Span) Paralegal by trade. I live in a nice bayfront home here and just had a hike to my property taxes of $4,500 and $4,000 for insurance annually, I am selling everything I have and leaving this place. I like the states, but my husband and I can't seem to live life eventhough we make pretty decent money. I feel like all we do is live to work and not work to live. I want to leave before my 40th b-day and that is June, '07. What do you suggest?
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Working Gringos 18 years ago
Dear Lily,
Your question is difficult to answer. It depends on the lifestyle you want to maintain, what part of the States you are coming from, and your ability to adapt to a new language and culture.
There are many different socio-economic levels in Merida, so it is not difficult to create an affordable place for yourself here. But you may find yourself going through a lot of changes before you do and it helps to have a spirit of adventure while doing it.
We sold our house in Caifornia, paid off our debts and bought a house here in full. We set aside enough cash to live for two years while we started up our business. Without debt, we felt we could easily live here on $24,000 a year. Many live here on less. It took less than a year for our business to become profitable, so our cash reserve was more than adaquate.
It doesn't really matter if you have a resume or a degree because to work here as a foreigner, you generally have to own and operate your business and employ yourself. We can imagine making a living by providing childcare to the expat community and perhaps the more upscale Meridanos in the northern part of the city who want to expose their children to English. We can also imagine a business providing doggy day care and dog walking to the expat community. If you choose the latter, call us when you get here!
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Lily 18 years ago
I just have a question. I have been exploring this idea of living in Yucatan. But my husband and I are folk artists with a home gallery in Arkansas. He is also an artist jeweler. He is basically disabled due to health problems, Diabetes, Heart. He has a college degree and I am just short of one. We are fifty-four and sixty. I work part-time in Infant care in a Montessori school. We are not really skilled labor nor do we have impressive resume's. We could sell our home and come out good. But could I earn a living there that would support us doing child care or something similar?
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cor 18 years ago
I loved reading your auto interview. I've lived in Merida a couple of years in the 90's and was just as delighted as you guys are. I'm living in Bangkok now but I'll always have great memories of ' The White City ". Hey, why else would I be visiting your site?
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