Working Gringos

Working Gringos

8 November 2016 Interviews & Editorials 79

Editor's Update:

Now that the US election is over, we know more and more people are thinking that maybe living outside the United States would not be such a bad idea. We love the United States but we also think that living outside of it, for some amount of time or the rest of your life, is a great idea. Because there is nothing more refreshing than a new perspective. There's nothing that makes you feel younger like learning a new culture and language. There is really nothing that compares with going outside your comfort zone to explore new horizons and opportunities. With that in mind, here is what we were thinking and feeling ten years ago in 2006, four years after we moved out of the United States, four years before this happened.

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The following is the first of a series of interviews with expatriates living in the Yucatan. We decided that in all good faith we couldn't ask our friends and acquaintances to answer these questions if we hadn't answered them ourselves. So we are our first interviewees:

YL: When did you move to the Yucatan, where did you move from and why did you move here?

Working Gringos: We moved from California in January of 2002. We had recently lost our jobs at an Internet development company and were trying to start our own thing when the World Trade Center in New York was attacked. That put a stop to just about everyone's business development. For a long time nobody wanted a website and every business in our industry was laying off, not hiring. We had to find work and we had to move to find it.

We call ourselves dot bomb refugees.

We ruled out the San Francisco Bay area and other major technology centers because there was a surplus of workers and the cost of living there was too high. We ruled out Bakersfield and many other inexpensive places because, well..., if we need to explain then you wouldn't be reading this.

We finally decided to make a virtue of necessity and cast our net world-wide. Thanks to the worldwide web we could do that more easily than ever. We made a short list of what we wanted in a new home. Here it is:

1. A place were we can make a living
2. Beautiful house we can own outright
3. Tropical and/or European ambiance
4. Close to scuba diving
5. Learn a second language
6. Live more lightly on the planet (our private code phrase for "eco-friendly and cheap")
7. Be within a day's flight of our family

YL: Why did you choose Merida over other places in the world?

Working Gringos: It met all of our criteria and more. We've traveled around the world. We thought of Tuscany, Bali, Costa Rica, the island of Roatan, but none of these quite worked for us. The combination of Mayan, Spanish, Caribbean and Gulf cultures makes Merida unique. It's also the closest place to the United States that is the most unlike it. And you can make a living here and live for much less.

YL: Did you know you were going to be working when you moved here?

Working Gringos: Yes, we essentially moved our nascent Internet development company here, bringing all of our computer and photographic equipment with us. Besides, we're not sure what retirement looks like.

YL: Are you doing now what you intended to do when you moved here?

Working Gringos: We are doing more than we intended. We figured we would make a few websites for people, live on less, and give ourselves more free time. Wishful thinking. There has been much more demand for website development here than we anticipated, as well as photography.

YL: Did you buy a house right away or rent first? Do you think you made the right decision (either way)?

Working Gringos: We bought two houses. We found a renovated colonial-style house where we live now using the Internet. It was another reason we moved here. Another smaller house was recommended to us by the real estate agent here and we turned it into an office. Considering how much these properties have appreciated in value, we think we did the right thing by buying right away. But we do see the value in renting first and getting to know the area before making a commitment.

YL: Now that you live and work here, how do you like it?

Working Gringos: We're never bored!

YL: Would you ever go back?

Working Gringos: We go back at times to visit family. One of us would consider going back if we were suddenly left alone here... but we would always keep one foot here, even if we did go back. Mexico is home now too. We would rather have our family move here. Then there would be little or no reason to go back, except for the occasional bookstore craving (see below). But can you ever really go back? So much has changed in the U.S. since we left...

YL: What are the most striking differences between living here vs. living there (wherever you came from)?

Working Gringos: Socially, the Yucatan is a lot more forgiving. It feels like people here have more liberty, that there is a wider range of opinions and backgrounds. It's not as culturally homogenous. It's also very, very affordable. We were being "gentrified" out of our little town in California. But Yucatan, as Ry Cooder would say, "is a poor man's Shangri-La."

YL: What do you love about living here?

Working Gringos: Not pumping our own gas or having to compare gas prices (editor's note: well, everything changes and that has changed...), paying taxes monthly (it's so much easier), the people, music in the streets at night, tropical weather, weekends at the Caribbean, the diverse culture, the food, learning a new language, the VIP movie theater, our friends, the list goes on...

YL: What do you miss from your "former life"?

Working Gringos: Browsing in bookstores, Starbucks Gingerbread and Pumpkin Lattes (yes, we still think they taste better in the USA...), hiking in the mountains, ginger Altoids, huge selections of black tea at the grocery store, Trader Joe's... It's always something. But we've lived here long enough that when we're back in the States for very long we miss things like fresh habanero salsa, not looking over our shoulder all the time when we're driving (avoiding speeding or parking tickets), Yucatecan food, big piles of rocks. It's an ever-growing list... and there is something about the Yucatan that we miss when we're not here, but we can't put our finger on it. Must be the magic.

YL: What is it like owning and running a business here?

Working Gringos: It's easier than we expected. Demand is high and competition is low. If you're not engaged in a business that has a long tradition in Mexico, then your chances of success are pretty good. That's becoming less true, but we think it's still true.

There is some red tape at the beginning. You have to apply for and maintain the correct visa. You have to itemize any equipment you bring into the country and prove it was either taken back out or destroyed, in other words, that you didn't sell it and dodge import taxes. These days, we just buy our equipment here. Dell, Apple, Canon, etc. all service Mexico. You also need a good lawyer and accountant to watch your back. It's nearly impossible to understand Mexican tax law, but isn't that also true in California? It was for us; except our lawyer and accountant there charged us about 10 times more.

YL: Do you have to do more than one thing to make a living?

Working Gringos: Many people do. It's a tradition here to maintain many different sources of income in case one of them falls on hard times. It's Mexican job security. We probably have four or five different sources of income, but they are all related to marketing somehow.

YL: Do you work as much as you used to "back home" or are your work habits different here?

Working Gringos: We work more than ever. At the moment, it's like drinking from a fire hose. Some of the demand is probably related to the times we live in. The Internet was made for places like Yucatan, which is historically remote and unknown.

On the other hand, we don't have to work in a cubicle battling office politics in some sprawling corporation, wondering if what we're doing even makes a difference. The work here has been more fulfilling. And we can and do take a day off here and there to go exploring or to enjoy a long weekend on the Caribbean. We also seem to have more of a social life here than we did in California, because people take more time for friends and family and socializing here.

YL: Is Merida different for residents than it is for tourists?

Working Gringos: Yes, as residents we see a lot of different areas around Merida that tourists rarely visit. We see the modern side of Merida as well as the remote Mayan villages and "undiscovered" ruins, beaches and haciendas. We've been invited to many social, cultural and private events that tourists don't encounter.

YL: How is your Spanish?

Working Gringos: We're getting there. We can make it in almost any situation without a translator. We don't sound very good, but at least we can understand people and make ourselves understood most of the time. The people here are very helpful, too.

YL: Is the language barrier a problem for you in your day to day life?

Working Gringos: No, not a problem... an opportunity. Really! We learn so much more through the process of taking down the barrier. One interesting thing about the Yucatan is that the majority of people here speak Spanish as a second language. Their first language was Mayan!

YL: What is the one most important piece of advice you would give someone just moving to the Yucatan?

Working Gringos: Be open to magic... it lives here. And if you have a problem with ants, get over it.

YL: Are you a Mexican citizen?

Working Gringos: Not yet.

YL: If you aren't, do you think you will become one?

Working Gringos: Yes.

YL: Why would or wouldn't you?

Working Gringos: If one passport is good, two are better. And being a citizen means we don't have to do the visa renewal thing every year.

YL: How are you treated by Mexicans?

Working Gringos: Embarrassingly well, considering how we treat Mexicans in the United States.

YL: Do you feel resented or welcome?

Working Gringos: 99.99% welcome. While there may be more prejudice against strangers in the Mexican border towns, we don't feel anything like that here. We've even heard locals say that extranjeros treat Yucatecos better than they treat each other. We think that means we aren't as codo (cheap).

YL: What are your plans for the future here?

Working Gringos: One day at a time. The magic works better that way.

YL: Do you see yourself staying?

Working Gringos: Way'a no ne (why ah NO nay). It's Mayan for "here we are".

YL: Do you see your business growing?

Working Gringos: Only as much as we want it to. We'd like to work a little less and enjoy this city and country a little more. There is so much of Yucatan and Mexico left to discover!

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Yucatan Living followed this with many more expatriate interviews. Some of those people are still in Merida, some are not. We welcome your comments and any other questions that you have for the people living in the Yucatan.

Comments

  • jaime luis 17 years ago

    thanks so much for this site...we love MERIDA!, too...one question: you often have wonderful photos of architecture...a hacienda or building or some beautiful detail or landscape...it would be great to know what we're looking at...(maybe label is hidden or accessed in a specific way?) anyway thanks for the beautiful images (often on front page)!

  • casey 17 years ago

    Thank you for your site and allerting me to replies. I inadvertantly hit a button that said not to notify me if there's a response. I do wish to receive these responses. Again, thanks.

  • CasiYucateco 17 years ago

    There's no train service to Merida. You can fly into Merida. You can take buses, but there may be a few changes along the way, like in Mexico City. The buses would likely be cheaper than flying, but would take a couple days, I'd guess.

    You can often find cut-rate fares or charters flying into Cancun. Then take a bus from Cancun to Merida for around $40 or so one-way. It's about a 3-4 hour trip by bus (take the non-stop!).

    The reason Sky asked about the wheelchair is that many sidewalks are very narrow and there are few curb cut ramps. Getting around would be difficult

  • Rick Noah 17 years ago

    sky- My disability is total deafness in one ear. I also have degenerative spine disease but it's treatable with drugs, so far. I get around OK. I'm 59 and in good health otherwise. I saw the comment about dog walkers... that's priceless ! I was a dog trainer for the Border Patrol for a while (in the 70's). Love doggies. I keep thinking of skills I could use down there. I do recognize that learning the language will be paramount. When I'd said that I design websites, I truly meant business level with forms and databases and so forth. I do all the nasty server-side work. I am also a photographer and soon-to-be videographer. Looking at getting some windfall money soon and may very well come and visit. The hurricanes do bother me, some. I don't really care for them much. Been in a few.

    Here's a tough question-- since I don't drive, can anyone guess which would be cheaper... Taking a bus/train from San Diego or flying ?? Do they even have train service to Yucatan?

    I do want to keep a dialogue going, so if someone wants to shoot me an email address that would be nice. Otherwise I'll keep using the forum.

    Thanx, Rick Noah

  • sky 17 years ago

    Does "disabled" mean in a wheelchair or something? I wouldn't recommend Mérida in that case... (even though it's better than Campeche...)

  • CasiYucateco 17 years ago

    Rick,
    You can maintain your US Citizen status regardless of where you live in the world. So, that's one thing out of the way. I'm not sure about a military pension, but most all pensions do not depend on where you live. And, you can always have a pension deposited in a US account with online access - so you can work with your money from a foreign country.

    Merida is probably cheaper than the USA on some things and more expensive on others. And, due to recent popularity, costs in Merida have gone up lately. Don't fall for the line that all drugs are cheaper in Mexico (assuming you need any prescriptions). Some are cheaper and some are much more money.

    On $911 a month? Yes, you could probably make it OK and still be happy, if you owned a house. If you pay rent, yes, you could probably find a nicer place in Merida cheaper than in the USA. But, you'd have little left to live on - $500 or so a month? It might be tight. Of course, Mexicans live on less than that, but there is more than one income per house, in most cases.

    Most everything in Merida is within walking distance - there's a corner coke stand on most corners. There's a small market here or there in most neighborhoods. Danged convenience stores are opening all over, the ugly little things. Instead of 7-11 or Quik Trip, they are called OXXO. Merida has a good bus system. Taxis are plentiful and cheaper than the USA.

    It just depends on where you'd be happy. Merida is hot and humid. If you don't like that kind of weather, it wouldn't be any fun. But, on the other hand, you may find that the place grows on you quite a bit.

    Oh, on the visa thing, some people travel back and forth every six months... just living in Mexico, essentially, on a tourist visa. Some folks have done that for years.

    Would you be able to take a vacation and check it out?

  • Richard Noah 17 years ago

    Love this website. I really would love to move down there, but, like a lot of folks, I have a unique situation... I'm a disabled veteran on a fixed income- just under the visa 1,000 amount. Makes a non-tourist visa a tad more complicated.
    I am totally fed-up with the US.. can't even afford to live on my pension unless I give up something, like eating food. Probably a more common story these days.. 'looking for a lifestyle I can afford'.
    Did rumble around on Craigs List and do see places (Yucatan) that I can afford long term. Don't drive, so I don't have those expenses. I suppose I 'could' work, but that would make my pension go away. Besides, I don't have a profession that would be unique enough so as to not take a job from a local. Well, I 'do' design websites, but doesn't everyone these days ?
    I was comparing $ 350 p/m apartments there with the very minimum possible here (Fresno, CA.. 450 gets you a slum apartment) .. it's disgusting. Takes $ 600 to even get close to a place that's habitable. Well, that's 2/3 of my income gone.
    I guess I have the "standard" questions...
    Is it really possible to live there on $ 911 per month ?
    I 'think' I get my pension no matter where I live.. will have to check into that...as long as I am a citizen of US...

    Just a comment that you may find interesting... In the US newspapers a story just out--- one of four homeless people in the US is a veteran. AND of that group, over half have a pension of some amount-- yet they can't afford to live like regular folks and, thus, become homeless.
    I think foreign countries are going to see a lot of immigration of veterans that can no longer afford to live here. Most are either too old ot too broken to be gainfully employed, yet too young for Social Security.
    It's a bitch.

    Anyway, I am trying to get some line of communications going with folks down there. Am not too sure about full-on ex-pat as my pension would evaporate.
    Any ideas or suggestions ??

    Thanks in advance for any aid on this...
    Rick Noah
    Fresno, California

  • casey 17 years ago

    Really nice piece and I'm not sure how old it is, but if you see this can you let me know where on the site I can get an idea of the cost of living in Merida, including all the things you talked aboout like food, utilities, tv, etc. (the things we're used to in the US. Thanks.

  • Your Daughter 17 years ago

    Wish you were here, but happy that you are happy there. Miss you and Love you both!!!

  • Bill 17 years ago

    Just thought I would stop by and say hi. Haven't had time to go over whole sight but seems very informative. My wife is from Peru and when we visit everything is very resonable especially if you are with a native that has more bargining power. I have read some of your posts on weather underground. Thanks for this link

  • Working Gringos 17 years ago

    Thanks, Maria! We live to hear comments like that. You made our day!!

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