Working Gringos

Working Gringos

8 November 2016 Interviews & Editorials 79

Editor's Update:

Now that the US election is over, we know more and more people are thinking that maybe living outside the United States would not be such a bad idea. We love the United States but we also think that living outside of it, for some amount of time or the rest of your life, is a great idea. Because there is nothing more refreshing than a new perspective. There's nothing that makes you feel younger like learning a new culture and language. There is really nothing that compares with going outside your comfort zone to explore new horizons and opportunities. With that in mind, here is what we were thinking and feeling ten years ago in 2006, four years after we moved out of the United States, four years before this happened.

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The following is the first of a series of interviews with expatriates living in the Yucatan. We decided that in all good faith we couldn't ask our friends and acquaintances to answer these questions if we hadn't answered them ourselves. So we are our first interviewees:

YL: When did you move to the Yucatan, where did you move from and why did you move here?

Working Gringos: We moved from California in January of 2002. We had recently lost our jobs at an Internet development company and were trying to start our own thing when the World Trade Center in New York was attacked. That put a stop to just about everyone's business development. For a long time nobody wanted a website and every business in our industry was laying off, not hiring. We had to find work and we had to move to find it.

We call ourselves dot bomb refugees.

We ruled out the San Francisco Bay area and other major technology centers because there was a surplus of workers and the cost of living there was too high. We ruled out Bakersfield and many other inexpensive places because, well..., if we need to explain then you wouldn't be reading this.

We finally decided to make a virtue of necessity and cast our net world-wide. Thanks to the worldwide web we could do that more easily than ever. We made a short list of what we wanted in a new home. Here it is:

1. A place were we can make a living
2. Beautiful house we can own outright
3. Tropical and/or European ambiance
4. Close to scuba diving
5. Learn a second language
6. Live more lightly on the planet (our private code phrase for "eco-friendly and cheap")
7. Be within a day's flight of our family

YL: Why did you choose Merida over other places in the world?

Working Gringos: It met all of our criteria and more. We've traveled around the world. We thought of Tuscany, Bali, Costa Rica, the island of Roatan, but none of these quite worked for us. The combination of Mayan, Spanish, Caribbean and Gulf cultures makes Merida unique. It's also the closest place to the United States that is the most unlike it. And you can make a living here and live for much less.

YL: Did you know you were going to be working when you moved here?

Working Gringos: Yes, we essentially moved our nascent Internet development company here, bringing all of our computer and photographic equipment with us. Besides, we're not sure what retirement looks like.

YL: Are you doing now what you intended to do when you moved here?

Working Gringos: We are doing more than we intended. We figured we would make a few websites for people, live on less, and give ourselves more free time. Wishful thinking. There has been much more demand for website development here than we anticipated, as well as photography.

YL: Did you buy a house right away or rent first? Do you think you made the right decision (either way)?

Working Gringos: We bought two houses. We found a renovated colonial-style house where we live now using the Internet. It was another reason we moved here. Another smaller house was recommended to us by the real estate agent here and we turned it into an office. Considering how much these properties have appreciated in value, we think we did the right thing by buying right away. But we do see the value in renting first and getting to know the area before making a commitment.

YL: Now that you live and work here, how do you like it?

Working Gringos: We're never bored!

YL: Would you ever go back?

Working Gringos: We go back at times to visit family. One of us would consider going back if we were suddenly left alone here... but we would always keep one foot here, even if we did go back. Mexico is home now too. We would rather have our family move here. Then there would be little or no reason to go back, except for the occasional bookstore craving (see below). But can you ever really go back? So much has changed in the U.S. since we left...

YL: What are the most striking differences between living here vs. living there (wherever you came from)?

Working Gringos: Socially, the Yucatan is a lot more forgiving. It feels like people here have more liberty, that there is a wider range of opinions and backgrounds. It's not as culturally homogenous. It's also very, very affordable. We were being "gentrified" out of our little town in California. But Yucatan, as Ry Cooder would say, "is a poor man's Shangri-La."

YL: What do you love about living here?

Working Gringos: Not pumping our own gas or having to compare gas prices (editor's note: well, everything changes and that has changed...), paying taxes monthly (it's so much easier), the people, music in the streets at night, tropical weather, weekends at the Caribbean, the diverse culture, the food, learning a new language, the VIP movie theater, our friends, the list goes on...

YL: What do you miss from your "former life"?

Working Gringos: Browsing in bookstores, Starbucks Gingerbread and Pumpkin Lattes (yes, we still think they taste better in the USA...), hiking in the mountains, ginger Altoids, huge selections of black tea at the grocery store, Trader Joe's... It's always something. But we've lived here long enough that when we're back in the States for very long we miss things like fresh habanero salsa, not looking over our shoulder all the time when we're driving (avoiding speeding or parking tickets), Yucatecan food, big piles of rocks. It's an ever-growing list... and there is something about the Yucatan that we miss when we're not here, but we can't put our finger on it. Must be the magic.

YL: What is it like owning and running a business here?

Working Gringos: It's easier than we expected. Demand is high and competition is low. If you're not engaged in a business that has a long tradition in Mexico, then your chances of success are pretty good. That's becoming less true, but we think it's still true.

There is some red tape at the beginning. You have to apply for and maintain the correct visa. You have to itemize any equipment you bring into the country and prove it was either taken back out or destroyed, in other words, that you didn't sell it and dodge import taxes. These days, we just buy our equipment here. Dell, Apple, Canon, etc. all service Mexico. You also need a good lawyer and accountant to watch your back. It's nearly impossible to understand Mexican tax law, but isn't that also true in California? It was for us; except our lawyer and accountant there charged us about 10 times more.

YL: Do you have to do more than one thing to make a living?

Working Gringos: Many people do. It's a tradition here to maintain many different sources of income in case one of them falls on hard times. It's Mexican job security. We probably have four or five different sources of income, but they are all related to marketing somehow.

YL: Do you work as much as you used to "back home" or are your work habits different here?

Working Gringos: We work more than ever. At the moment, it's like drinking from a fire hose. Some of the demand is probably related to the times we live in. The Internet was made for places like Yucatan, which is historically remote and unknown.

On the other hand, we don't have to work in a cubicle battling office politics in some sprawling corporation, wondering if what we're doing even makes a difference. The work here has been more fulfilling. And we can and do take a day off here and there to go exploring or to enjoy a long weekend on the Caribbean. We also seem to have more of a social life here than we did in California, because people take more time for friends and family and socializing here.

YL: Is Merida different for residents than it is for tourists?

Working Gringos: Yes, as residents we see a lot of different areas around Merida that tourists rarely visit. We see the modern side of Merida as well as the remote Mayan villages and "undiscovered" ruins, beaches and haciendas. We've been invited to many social, cultural and private events that tourists don't encounter.

YL: How is your Spanish?

Working Gringos: We're getting there. We can make it in almost any situation without a translator. We don't sound very good, but at least we can understand people and make ourselves understood most of the time. The people here are very helpful, too.

YL: Is the language barrier a problem for you in your day to day life?

Working Gringos: No, not a problem... an opportunity. Really! We learn so much more through the process of taking down the barrier. One interesting thing about the Yucatan is that the majority of people here speak Spanish as a second language. Their first language was Mayan!

YL: What is the one most important piece of advice you would give someone just moving to the Yucatan?

Working Gringos: Be open to magic... it lives here. And if you have a problem with ants, get over it.

YL: Are you a Mexican citizen?

Working Gringos: Not yet.

YL: If you aren't, do you think you will become one?

Working Gringos: Yes.

YL: Why would or wouldn't you?

Working Gringos: If one passport is good, two are better. And being a citizen means we don't have to do the visa renewal thing every year.

YL: How are you treated by Mexicans?

Working Gringos: Embarrassingly well, considering how we treat Mexicans in the United States.

YL: Do you feel resented or welcome?

Working Gringos: 99.99% welcome. While there may be more prejudice against strangers in the Mexican border towns, we don't feel anything like that here. We've even heard locals say that extranjeros treat Yucatecos better than they treat each other. We think that means we aren't as codo (cheap).

YL: What are your plans for the future here?

Working Gringos: One day at a time. The magic works better that way.

YL: Do you see yourself staying?

Working Gringos: Way'a no ne (why ah NO nay). It's Mayan for "here we are".

YL: Do you see your business growing?

Working Gringos: Only as much as we want it to. We'd like to work a little less and enjoy this city and country a little more. There is so much of Yucatan and Mexico left to discover!

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Yucatan Living followed this with many more expatriate interviews. Some of those people are still in Merida, some are not. We welcome your comments and any other questions that you have for the people living in the Yucatan.

Comments

  • Working Gringos 15 years ago

    Hola, Dave. You don't mention if you speak Spanish, but that would be important if you are thinking of providing services to Yucatecos. However, there are many opportunities in Merida for serving the expat/English-Speaking community, and computer maintenance and repair is one of them, especially if you're willing to make house calls to expats' homes and offices. There are local computer repair shops in Merida and many options for buying and maintaining a computer, but most expats are not able to take advantage of them, due to the language barrier (both Spanish and technical jargon).

  • Dave 15 years ago

    Great article!
    Your article indicates you have some type of internet company. With the risk of being competition, I am a Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer, Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist and a VMware Certified Professional. I currently work in Missouri and support companies locally and in Florida through remote management software. I perform on-site and remote service and repair. My question; would this be a viable business need in Merida? Is there a local business there that offers excellent PC support and repair? With the coming changes in health care here in the US my family has been looking at Merida as an opportunity for the future that is more friendly to small business. Thanks for any feedback!

  • Working Gringos 15 years ago

    Congratulations, Beau! We are not motorcyclists ourselves, but we know that there is a growing faction of motorcycle riders here... we see their rides on occasion. The Yucatan is webbed with lots of long, straight roads in good condition. They are perfectly safe and we predict that you will enjoy yourself here immensely. (Well, it may be too hot in the summertime, but that is a different issue...)

    Let us know!

  • Beau 15 years ago

    Hi,

    I'm also looking to relocate from the corporate world to a more relaxed and slower paced life. Merida looks and sounds perfect. I'm planning a trip there at the end of April 2010. Looking forward to it.

    I'm an avid motorcycle rider, not the dirt bike type but the touring kind. Love long rides. How are the roads in Merida and surrounding areas and surrounding destinations and are they safe?

    Thanks

    Beau

  • Chelsea 15 years ago

    Hello WG's, what a great website! Your articles are informative and the stories you share about your daily life are funny & inspiring! My husband and I are Canadian, 35 years old and are longing for a life change. We chose not to have children in order to travel and experience as much as we can from life. I saw a television program on Merida on the Home & Garden network and I was immediately captivated and enraptured. We are in the very beginning stages to make the big move. I have found so many resources on this site to get us started, so another big "Gracias" to you both for that! I do have one question for you though and that is work/business opportunities. We will need to work in order to survive and sustain our life with the basic necessities. My husband is a certified plumber and gas fitter with a cross connection ticket. I currently work for the Canadian Federal Government. What is the liklihood of my husband finding work in his field? Could he feasibly start his own business? I was thinking of opening a doggie daycare in the area but wonder if that venture would be embraced by the community or seen as a ridiculous uneeded service? The other option I was thinking of was offering my services as a freelance data entry/document production. Any thoughts or direction would be great! Sorry my post is so long!

  • Working Gringos 15 years ago

    Bob and Mike, it sounds like you both can continue doing what you do over the internet with the same clients you do it for now. Will you find clients here in Merida for your services? The first question is... do you speak and write Spanish fluently? If so, we would say a very qualified "maybe". But chances are you are not going to find many local clients for what you do and finding work here (as in someone giving you a paycheck for your services) is highly unlikely. Fortunately, what you do can be done for anyone anywhere and yes, Merida has good and fast internet access.

  • Bob & Mike 15 years ago

    Thanks so much for sharing your lives and experience with so many here. It is illuminating and refreshing.

    My partner and I are coming to Merida in early September for a short vacation which will be also a scouting trip. We are both interested in living in Mexico for a few years and have heard so much about Merida and environs that we'd like to experience it for ourselves. We do have a few questions, however, and I lay them out here for possible responses.

    We will both need to work in Mexico. My background is in internet retail and web and social media strategy. I also manage a large taxonomy for a US Government website. My partner is research director for a Washington non-profit and also publishes a daily internet newsletter for a science association. Ideally, we would both like to stay in the same fields. Can we realistically expect to find opportunities which would allow us to live in the Yucatan?

    Thanks so much!

  • Roy B. Dudley 15 years ago

    ¡Felicidades! Your website is excellent. Reginald McGhee , a fellow bicyclist, just came through Xalapa and stayed with me on his way to Merida, taking a Sunday bike ride with our cycle activist club(www.prociclismoxalapa.org). Fortunately Xalapa has been my home for the past 37 years and I would really like to be able to have a website about this wonderful city as good as the one you have about Merida. Please contact me since I would like your help in making such a website come true.
    ¡Mucho gusto y muchisimas felicidades de nuevo!
    Roy "El Gringo Jalapeño"

  • Jenni 16 years ago

    I've devoured your website, every page. It is wonderful. Thank you for all the hard work and insights you share.
    I was in Merida in 2005 and fell in love with it. I actually was in a new relationship and our visit was during Carnival, so how could one not fall in love with Merida? It was magical. But even though the relationship didn't last, the thoughts of living in Merida did, so much that I frequently visited real estate sites. I moved back to the States mid 2005 and got entrenched in life, in work, in bills...how easily that happens! While planning my recent trip to Isla Mujeres, several friends wanted to do something different, so I planned a stay in Merida. That's when I found your site. And to my delight, during my visit I found that it wasn't the new relationship I had been in, it wasn't Carnival, it is Merida...the magic as you put it.
    I live in Denver and I don't like cold weather...yes, I know, Denver isn't that bad, it's a dry cold! Whatever. My focus for the last few years is "once I sell my investment condo I will move south." Top on the US list has been Austin or San Antonio, then retirement in Merida. Then I read your short list of what you wanted in a new home and it is very similar to mine....and Austin and San Antonio don't make it. My favorite saying is "Why Wonder?" , "por que maravilla?" Why wait until retirement? Why not move to Merida now? And finding your site, and so many great interviews of people who have done just exactly that has sure lit a fire under my derrierre! I do have a few things to figure out, i.e. an income (I'm a reluctant accountant and that won't work there...which is fine with me), but that is something I have to figure out wherever I move.
    I'm coming....by my Jan 26th birthday next year.
    Thank you again for all that you share. I anxiously await more Yucatan Living articles and welcome any comments, suggestions, job offers, etc other readers or working gringos might have!

  • Working Gringos 16 years ago

    We hope to meet you too, DealMaker! Let us know when you are visiting next time...

  • DealMaker 16 years ago

    I glue myself to your website every chance I get. While I am originally from Guatemala City, I have lived in Chicago for over 25 years, but there's always been a longing in my heart to live anywhere in the Yucatan. Things have changed dramatically in the corporate world and I am ready to move. I've had a career in sales and marketing for many years, but feel the time has come to do something new. I am fully bilingual and enjoy the warmth of Mexico and its people. I have traveled to many places, but there is something about the Yucatan. The "magic" of the beaches, the white sand and the friendly faces everywhere you go. I enjoy the peace I find when I walk the entire island of Isla Mujeres. When in Playa, I love my daily morning walks toward Cafe Corazon on 5a to enjoy fresh fruit and steaming hot coffee; where I meet the locals and the expats for a time to chat. I enjoy the sun, the beach and its sports during the day and then walking la 5a just before dinner only to find the excitement of daily Latin dancing at Mambo Cafe. Merida seems to have been the missing link, as I so much enjoy the arts, be it theatre, opera or concerts. I read about the Festival de Otono and how Placido Domingo was at Chichen Itza, the star studded skies above it. I can literally close my eyes and see this picture in my mind and feel that is what I should be doing, for life is so short and time so little. Thank you for the beautiful work you do in describing Merida and giving such details as to pricing information, medical and utility costs. Yours has been the most complete "guide" anyone can read. Hope to meet you soon.

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